Saturday, September 8, 2012

Official 2012-2013 Winter Forecast

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"They say revenge is a dish best served cold. This winter, the East Coast gets its revenge."


Hello everyone, and welcome to the 2012-2013 Official Winter Forecast. Keep in mind this is not the final forecast, which will be issued later in the fall if it is necessary.

***WARNING: This forecast is a long one. If you do not want to read through all the technical information, skip to the point where it says 'STOP HERE'.***

We will start out with an ENSO update and go from there.

The loop above displays sea surface temperature anomalies in recent months over the ENSO monitoring areas. For those less experienced, warm anomalies west of South America indicate an El Nino, while cool temperatures show a La Nina.
In recent months, we have seen a warming trend begin in the eastern and central portions of the ENSO monitoring area, also known as Nino 1+2 (eastern) and Nino 3.4. If we were in winter, this would have been a mainly east-based winter. However, as time progressed over the past few months, the trend of warming has been shifting westward into more central regions of the ENSO area, and even more recently, warm anomalies have been dangerously close to the 180 line, which, in my opinion, would clarify the presence of a west-based El Nino.

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Underwater sea surface temperature anomalies can be used in coordination with the actual surface temperature anomalies, mainly to see if this is a widespread underwater warming/cooling or strictly a surface-based anomaly. In this case, we have seen a significant warming trend in the eastern ENSO region, with a very slight progression west with time on the surface.
Despite the slight progression west, I believe that we remain in a mainly central-based to possibly west-based El Nino at the time of publishing. However, I am closely watching that warmer than normal body of water in the western ENSO region to see if it will do anything.

Also able to detect if and where an El Nino may be is a graph of the SST anomalies across the ENSO regions. From top to bottom, they go from west to east in the ENSO regions. The charts above show distinct warming earlier in the year across eastern portions of the monitoring regions, but recently those have seen a drop off. However, the Nino 3.4 and Nino 4., both of which had had some trouble warming, have recently seen a period of sustained warming- a good sign for a central or west-based El Nino.


Animation obtained from usmessageboard
Original graphics made by ESRL
Many of you may be wondering 'What is the difference between west based, central, east based El Ninos?' Well, as shown in the animation above, an East-Based El Nino will have a very warm majority of the nation, centered in the western half of the country. On the other hand, a west-based El Nino will bring a cooler than normal anomaly to the general Eastern US, intensifying on the East Coast. So, if you want to see some cold and snow, I suggest you start rooting for a west-based El Nino to get going.

Something else I look at to see how the El Nino is doing is an index called the OLR, or Outgoing Longwave Radiation. In a nutshell, OLR measures the anomaly of convection over the ENSO monitoring area. When there is more convection than usual in the ENSO regions (El Nino), the OLR will turn negative. When the regions are quieter than normal, we will see a positive OLR reading.
In the past few months, we have seen a drop-off from a positive OLR to a relatively neutral phase. This is to be expected, considering we are switching from a La Nina to an El Nino. However, in July, the OLR saw a pretty hefty drop of -0.7, which essentially indicates we have entered an El Nino. Considering a lot of warming did occur in July, as seen on the animations above, this is no surprise. The question is, can the OLR stay below normal?
I believe that we should see a below normal OLR (above normal convection) as long as we have that warm body of water circulating in the ENSO monitoring regions. And that is good, because that warm body of water looks to be ready to stay.

The stratosphere- as far above our heads it may be- provides significant help for winter forecasting. The stratosphere graphs, like the one shown above, run from 1mb to 70mb, with 70mb being closest to the surface. To be the most accurate, I have chosen the 70mb chart to help forecast the winter.
In recent months, the stratosphere has seen a period of below normal temperatures, followed most recently by a jump back to normal anomalies. This jump to normal can be thanked by the NAO, which will be discussed later.
Typically, a cold stratosphere in winter will mean a warm nation, and a warm stratosphere will allow cold air to flow south into our neck of the woods. Last year, we had a very cool stratosphere until mid-late winter, when something called a 'Sudden Stratospheric Warming' event, or SSW, occurred. These Sudden Stratospheric Warming events are supposed to happen in winter, which signals the atmosphere's turn to being prepared for spring. It should be noted that SSW's are supposed to occur every winter to make ready for spring. But last year, we just didn't have a significant one.
Looking back at the summer conditions in 2011, we saw a somewhat below normal anomaly going into fall in the stratosphere, which could have been a tip-off to that winter. This summer, we have seen mainly normal anomalies, which puts me in a better place, mentally, as to this upcoming winter, as the stratosphere may not have as much trouble with warming as it did last winter.

Of additional significance is something called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, or the PDO. The PDO can, and commonly does match up with different phases of the ENSO regime. That will de discussed later, however.
The image above shows 1 month changes in sea surface temperature anomalies across the globe, but we are focusing on the North Pacific. We are currently seeing what could be a cooling trend over the North Pacific. I am not sure yet, because there is a wide expanse of warm water over the North Pacific as well. However, look at the Gulf of Alaska's coast. There is a sliver of warmer than normal temperature anomalies along the Alaskan and Canadian coasts. This could bode well for a positive PDO, which generally gives a cooler than normal touch to the Eastern US for the winter, and a warm and dry feel over the Northwest and Western US. But what is a positive (and negative) PDO characterized by?

In a positive PDO, we see warm waters along the Gulf of Alaska's Alaskan and Canadian coasts, even down into the West Coast of the US. What the positive PDO is really composed of is the cooler than normal waters extended basin-wide over the North Pacific. These cooler waters are the component of the positive PDO. As paradoxical as it sounds, the cool waters show the warm PDO.
Notice the warm water anomalies over the Pacific Equatorial region. This is actually an El Nino, which leads one to seeing that an El Nino and Positive PDO seem to go hand-in-hand. That said, climatologically, it would be favored to have a positive PDO present with an El Nino. It's not for sure, but is more prone to happen over a negative PDO.
In a negative PDO, we see a wide swath of warmer than normal temperature anomalies over the North Pacific, with a bit of cooling near the Alaskan and Canadian coasts, essentially opposite of a positive PDO. Note the cooler than normal waters in the Equatorial region, signifying the presence of a La Nina. Again, climatologically, a La Nina and Negative PDO will go together.

If a positive PDO were to develop this winter, it would essentially emphasize the effects of the El Nino- warm and dry in the Northwest, with cool and wet conditions being found in the Southeast. At this point in time, after looking at conditions in the Pacific in the Southern Hemisphere, as well as animations of the entire basin, it would appear that we may have a negative PDO on our hands this winter. Let's take a closer look below at how that could happen.

The areas I have circled have seen a warming trend in the past 5 weeks of Sea surface temperature monitoring. This warming has encompassed the waters off eastern Asia, as well as almost the entire basin of the Southern Hemisphere portion of the Pacific. Some warming can also be seen to the south of the first mentioned warming area in East Asia.
If we look to the PDO phases listed above, we see that a cool phase, or Negative PDO, is defined by warm waters reaching across much of the Pacific from Eastern Asia. This warming continues moving south, and is reinforced in the Southern Hemisphere's part of the Pacific. If we look at the map above, I can see that solution working out better at the moment, more-so than a Positive PDO. That arm of warm waters looks a bit too strong to be overcome by cooler anomalies in the Northern Pacific. Remember this section for later on.

One can also use recent precipitation trends to see where the most precipitation can be found. While these trends are likely to be more accurate in the fall, I think I can map out a few key points.
Notice the Gulf Coast and East Coast are both relatively OK in the midst of this horrible drought. This could very well be a sign of the El Nino that has taken hold, as El Nino's tend to keep the mentioned regions on the wet side. However, recently the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley regions have been receiving precipitation, and this could be a sign in terms of what could be upcoming for this winter- a period of dry weather followed by a cool down and precipitation. However, I would not bank on any of this until the fall.

Getting a bit more regional, Notice the Great Lakes temperature anomalies in this image. The lakes are all 4 to 8 degrees above normal. Considering they are this warm and we haven't even gotten to fall yet, I would see this as a very good sign for those who live in the lake effect snow regions. If favorable winds arise and cold air comes down from Canada, we could see more than a few major lake effect snow events, should the Lakes remain as warm as they are today.

And now, the moment you've all been waiting for... ANALOGS.
Remember that analogs are not my forecast, and are simply a tool to assist me in making my forecast.

This time around, I started out with all years that had a weak-mod El Nino, disregarding where it's based or whether or not it came after a double-dip La Nina like we just had. That said, here are the analogs from all weak-moderate El Nino years.

Temperature anomalies for my set of analogs resulted in a much cooler than normal Southeast and cooler than normal Eastern US in general. Additionally, the Upper Midwest to the Northwest regions were warmer than normal. If you look closely at the loop above referencing the different bases of El Nino's, you would see that this image looks a lot like what would be expected from a West Based El Nino. Coincidence, or a sign of what's to come?

Precipitation anomalies for the same set of years were not too significant. You can point out the El Nino signatures, with above normal precipitation anomalies across the Southeast and portions of the East Coast, as well as a wet Gulf Coast. The El Nino also makes its mark in a wet Southwest and dry Northwest. However, the below normal anomalies that one would expect to see in the Ohio Valley have been shifted south. It's not a huge shift and nothing to be concerned about, in my opinion.

We are still on the same set of years. This shows 500mb height anomalies for all weak-moderate El Nino years. We can see a very stormy pattern set up across the nation, specifically encompassing much of the East Coast. From this signature, one can determine the track of the jet stream as well. Also of note is the ridge up in Canada that is very close to Greenland. I find it possible that this influenced a negative NAO thanks to that ridge.

Now that we have examined all weak-moderate El Nino years, see where each one was 'based'. Now, because cooler than normal anomalies are surfacing in the Nino 1+2 region this year, I am going to take out analog years that were east-based.

1951-1952: East Based
•1957-1958: Central Based (DISCOUNTED- TOO STRONG)
•1963-1964: Central Based
•1965-1966: Central Based
•1968-1969: West-Central Based
•1976-1977: East-Central Based
•1977-1978: Central Based
•1991-1992: Central Based (DISCOUNTED- TOO STRONG)
•1994-1995: West Based
•2002-2003: Basin-Wide
•2004-2005: West Based
2006-2007: Basin-Wide (Mainly East Based)
•2009-2010: West-Central Based

Following 'Round 1' of eliminations, we now have 9 analog years.
Next, we're going to eliminate years that started an El Nino before June. It should be noted that the site I use to determine this puts months into 3-month columns. Thus, I must determine the single month from that data.

•1963-1964: Began in May
•1965-1966: Began April-May
•1968-1969: Began in July
•1976-1977: Began in August
•1977-1978: Began in August
•1994-1995: Began in August
2002-2003: Began in April
•2004-2005: Began in June-July
•2009-2010: Began in June

At this point, we now have 6 analog years. These 6 years are comprised of central or west-based weak-moderate El Nino's that began in or after June. Let's see what temperature and precipitation anomalies these bring up.

This time around, my analog years show a much cooler nation, hitting the Southeast and Ohio Valley especially hard. The Northern Plains and portions of the Northeast also get in on the coolness. Despite this, much of the Western US is warmer than normal, likely due to a ridge over the area as you will see below.

In precipitation anomalies for those same years, a wetter than normal Southwest is observed, due to the continuous barrage of low pressure systems across the region. At the same time, the Northwest is drier than normal due to the lack of the barrage of disturbances. Nothing too significant is found in the Eastern US, although by the spotty above normal precipitation anomalies, I would consider the Gulf Coast and East Coast slightly wetter than normal. There remains a drier than normal region, centered just north of the Gulf Coast that makes an attempt to stretch into the Ohio Valley. Whether that happens remains to be seen.

Next, for the same 6 years, this is the 500mb height anomalies. You can see a stormy pattern across the North Pacific into the West Coast, and a very stormy pattern in the East US. However, notice the large high pressure area over western Greenland into eastern Canada. This is a west-based negative NAO, the jackpot for Northeast snow lovers. The west-based negative NAO buckles the jet stream through the Northeast to provide abundant cold weather. Additionally, the storm track will shift in a position favorable for heavy snow throughout the East Coast, particularly the Northeast.

However, remember what I said about there being a better possibility for a Negative PDO this winter than a Positive PDO? Well, I was able to track down a website that sorts ENSO years into tables in correlation with that year's respective PDO phase (click here). I have decided to find the years that are comprised of an El Nino and Negative PDO. This is the year I found in those tables that is included in my analogs already shown above.

•1968-1969

Because it is also listed in those tables, I am going to double-weight (type it in twice) it when the final set of analogs are shown.
Next, I looked at years that had an El Nino following a double-dip La Nina. The year(s) that fit into this category as well as my analogues I already have included:

•1976-1977
•2009-2010

Technically, 2009-2010 was not a double-dip La Nina, but a closer examination of the ONI index reveals that it truthfully was a continuous double-dip La Nina. Like before, both of these years will be double-weighted in the final analogues.
Now that we have our final analogues, here is what they look like:


For temperatures, my analog years show a very cool Eastern US, hitting the Southeast particularly hard, where temperature anomalies bottomed out at nearly 4 degrees below normal. These cool temperatures extended back to the Ohio Valley as well as the Midwest and Northeast. Also hit by the cool down were the Northern Plains and Great Lakes.
On the warm side was much of the Western US, and maybe the very tip of the New England area.
Because this is an El Nino, I don't trust the cool anomalies in the Northern Plains too much, but the whole scenario is based on history, so I can't argue with that.

Precipitation anomalies were not all that exciting, with a fairly wide expanse of slightly below normal precipitation across portions of the Southeast into the Ohio Valley. Wetter conditions were found in the Southwest, thanks to the train of storm systems, and these wet anomalies were reciprocated on the Gulf Coast. While it is not shown, I believe the Northeast will have a stormy winter, as is typical in an El Nino.
The Northwest ended up much below average in precipitation, as the lack of storm systems in that area hit precipitation totals hard.


Lastly, 500mb height anomalies for these years in the winter time were overall pretty stormy. A swath of below normal heights covered the entire nation, with much below normal heights registering in over the Eastern US, especially the Mid-Atlantic.
Notice the very strong high pressure ridge over southwest Greenland. This is indeed a negative NAO, as I had described in the last set of analogs. However, notice how it is west-based and strong. Too strong of a negative NAO can be harmful to snowfall totals for the Northeast. However, I took a look at other precipitation variables for these years and discovered that the storm track still curved into the Northeast and gave a big-time hammering to the East Coast.

**STOP HERE**

After all of the above is set and done, I present to you The Weather Centre's Official 2012-2013 Winter Forecast.

I believe the winter will end up mainly cooler than normal over the Northeast and Southeast, as a consistent storm track brings storms up the coast that may be able to bring down arctic Canadian air. There is wiggle room in the Great Lakes, which may be influenced by the El Nino and end up going either warmer or cooler than normal. The Northwest and Northern Plains will likely be warmer than normal as a ridge takes hold over the region. I do not doubt the potential for a few arctic blasts in the Plains, but overall a warm pattern appears to be evolving.

Precipitation-wise, one can expect a wet winter across the Gulf coast and Southwest, as the sub-tropical jet stream heralds in storms over and over again. It should be noted that there is an increased severe weather risk in the Southeast/Gulf Coast region this winter, as the jet stream combines with storm systems and Gulf air to produce strong thunderstorms, potentially on numerous occasions. Using analogs shown above, I did put a 'possible dry conditions' over the southern Ohio Valley, but I'm not confident in that just yet. The Northwest should remain dry due to a lack of incoming storm systems that have been displaced south. The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic will get their more-than-fair share of snow this winter, as countless storm systems barrel through the region and dump more and more snow. Should we see a pouring out of arctic air from Canada, the Great Lakes should end up snowy, thanks to lake-effect snowfall.

The snowfall forecast calls for a snowy time across the Great Lakes if Canadian arctic air is able to push down south and ignite the lake effect snowfall machines. The Northeast will be the hotspot this winter, as many Nor'easters push up the coast and create a chaotic scene in the worst storms. Due to the storm track entering the Southwest, skiing conditions should be better than normal in those areas, while the Northwest stays high and dry due to the lack of a storm track in the vicinity.

I find it possible/likely that the Southeast, Southern Plains, southern Ohio Valley, and Mid-Atlantic regions will share in a good ice storm this winter. While the risk may have to be adjusted a bit farther inland, the areas marked now stand a fair chance of seeing some ice during the wintertime. Nor'easters that begin to rapidly strengthen while still within the warm air holds of the Southern US may be able to pull some cool air into the system and produce a good ice storm in the region delineated above.

Here is the Overall Graphic for the winter forecast.


Thank you for reading the official 2012-2013 winter forecast. If you have any feedback or questions, do not hesitate to ask them below. They will be answered fairly quickly.
Keep in mind this is not the final winter forecast, which will be published in October.

Thanks again for reading!
~Andrew

95 comments:

Calvin said...

How much snowfall do you think the Atlanta area will receive this upcoming winter?

Andrew said...

If cold air is able to make it south, it would be above normal thanks to the strong sub-tropical jet stream.

Brooks said...

Do you think we'll see some good snows in Hays, Kansas this year?

Andrew said...

It's a toss up- the storms that will pass to the south of Kansas will have weakened from mountain interference. However, should the storms remain strong despite going through that region, and the same storms pull up some Gulf moisture, I do not doubt a decent snow event would occur.

Cassidy said...

dhi Andrew...what about Charleston SC? After the horrendously hot summer, we would love to see a cold/cool winter for a change. Thanks!!

Anonymous said...

How much snow is expected here in South Dakota and what are the temperatures expected to be thru the winter?

Anonymous said...

How much snow will Berea, Kentucky get you think? Thanks. :)

Maineman said...

The Atlantic is warmer than normal as I have read. Would this have a affect on snow amounts on the coast of New England? Good job on the forecast.

Hugo said...

Will we have a snowy winter here in Alabama? How cool will we get? Do you think we'll have any sub zero weather here?

Allison said...

When should we expecting the winter to begin? The calendar and reality don't always match.

ERN WX said...

Great work!!! East Coast smash is coming. Storms were weak low topped convection. A little wind and rain. Nor'Easters are needed.

Art Good said...

If Indianapolis doesn't get some decent snow this year I'm moving.

Marc said...

On your last map, why do you have ice(purple shading) in pa rain(green shading) west of there and snow at the coast?

Anonymous said...

Looking at your forecast this could be a huge disaster in the making for the Pacific NW. we already have had a bone dry summer, with literally hundreds of fires, and if this forecast is verified, which I sadly believe it will be, next summer could go down in history as one of the worst fire seasons in perhaps 100 years for our part of the country.

Anonymous said...

What are your predictions on snow for Western North Carolina (Franklin, NC 28734)

Anonymous said...

What are your thoughts for central Ohio this year. I do snow removal and ice control for a living, and am curious if this upcoming winter will look more promising than last winter for our region.

Andrew said...

Now that all the chaos has died down, I'm here to answer questions.

Cassidy: If the El Nino takes hold, your area will be above normal in the precip. department.

Anonymous: Probably around normal precip, above normal temperatures.

Maineman: It would influence more precipitation than normal, but maybe a bit of warming right along the coast.

Hugo: Cooler than normal weather is possible. Extreme weather is not- subzero is most common up north. Snow-wise, it will depend on how the El Nino plays out.

Allison: In the next few months, starting in November.

ERN WX: Glad you like it!

Art Good: You have a fair chance, don't give up hope!

Marc: Overlapping is a common problem, considering I have to make separate maps. Just take it for what its worth.

Anonymous: Sadly, dry and warm looks to be on the menu for the Pac NW.

Anonymous: Your area will be dependant on if the El Nino evolves into the atmosphere or not. A lack thereof would result in less snow.

Anonymous: It will come down to the El Nino evolving or not.

Anonymous said...

I will move to alaska if wisconsin dosen't get good snowfall this year!!!!

Ennaedwyn said...

I was hoping for snow this year around St. Louis and the surrounding areas. We NEED the snowy precipitations after the summer hot weather and help with the drought. ><

Anonymous said...

Great forecast. Any ideas about Western Europe? thanks!

Anonymous said...

Great Forecast. Any ideas about NW Europe? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Great Forecast. Any ideas about NW Europe? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Great Forecast. Any ideas about NW Europe? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on the heart of Texas? I've given up on snow but cold and wet would at least make it APPEAR to be Winter. Thoughts?

Catherine said...

Is there any indication of when (as far as more towards the beginning of winter or towards the end) or how bad the possible ice storm(s) will be in the southern Ohio Valley area? I'm in Nashville, TN and I'm wondering if it's going to be like the ice storm from 1994 and if I should invest in a generator or two. Thanks!

crey said...

What about north and easter west virginia. Im a snow junkie and last year was really a let down lol. will this year be more exciting?

Andrew said...

Anonymous #1: I have not forecasted for Europe for a couple of years, so I don't feel confident doing it now.

Anonymous #2: If the El Nino is solidified in the atmosphere, you can expect a wetter than normal winter. Temperatures will be variable.

Catherine: I would say get one now (better safe than sorry), as constant storm systems may bring abundant (possibly icy) precipitation.

Crey: Yes.

Anonymous said...

This was a great forecast! I have been a weather forecaster for a long time and this one has to go into the top 5% that I have ever seen. What do you see in Anderson, S.C. with regard to snow this winter. Last winter we saw no snow and very warm temps! What do you think for Anderson!

Jtambo said...

Andrew- well done and very impressed. I am a supervisor at FedEx and handle routes out of terminals in Scranton Pa, Allentown Pa, North Wales Pa, and Princeton, NJ. It appears that this winter will be similar to the storms of the late 70's and '09-10. Are you thinking constant snowfall or major one day events? Lastly can u give me a feel for snowfall amounts? Again thank you for your time and effort. John

Andrew said...

Anonymous: Thanks for the compliments! The entire East Coast ought to get its fair share of precipitation this winter, should we see the El Nino come into play.

Jtambo: Unfortunately, I cannot predict day-by-day snowfalls. I would guess more one day to two-day events, similar to that of Nor'easters. I'm not too confident at the time as far as exact amounts go, but it ought to be above normal.

Kevin said...

Thanks for the great outlook! I wonder if we could get a 93 super storm type system from this track regime? I live in southern Michigan and would love to see at least a couple 12+ inch events. Given the temperature battle zones that could set up I don't see why its not possible. Your thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Nice work Andrew. What say you for temps and snow for the Burlington Vt area? It seems to be on the outside edge of snow and cold.

Tom

Anonymous said...

Hello Andrew great post!.. I was wondering how much snowfall is predicted for Nebraska this winter?

Josh Phillips said...

Nice post! How much snow do you think will there be in D.C.?

Anonymous said...

How will the winter in be in the upper penisula of michigan if you dont include lake effect snow.its been weird up here because we used to get pounded with snow but since 2008 we have not got more than 15'' inchs of snow since.

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew,

The same as someone above, we plow snow and salt in the winter months in Central Ohio. We really need some snow this year after last year and are pretty nervous. When will we know if the el nino has evolved or not to get an idea of our expected snowfall? Tha nks!

BNB111 said...

Hi Andrew - great job on this, thanks! So in looking at your maps and reading your points, I'm thinking that we're going to get ALOT of snow here in Maryland...I'm hopeful that you are right with this because we've taken a huge hit with the heat this year! Thanks again, keep up the great work!

shirlet said...

Hi Andrew,
I was wondering if you thought there would be alot of snow in New Wilmington PA?

Anonymous said...

trying to plan a wedding in central texas. outdoors is usually a good bet anytime of year except february. but it looks like it will be a february wedding. is there any hope for sunny moderate dry weather around february 22nd? or in febrary anytime?

Anonymous said...

Andrew - great analysis. Very interesting read. We had a very dry and warm winter last year in Minnesota. Are you expecting a very similar style of winter? I believe the lake ice was minimal throughout the winter even breaking up on some of our most Northern lakes like Lake of the Woods causing all sorts of ice fishing havoc. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew!

How much snow do you think the area of the Ohio Valley (Cambridge, Ohio) will get this year? thanks!

Andrew said...

Kevin: Such big storms are never out of the question, but more than a few is a rarity.

Tom: Likely cooler and wetter than normal.

Anonymous #1: It will vary depending on how the ENSO pattern ends up responding to a new cold water breakout just below the El Nino.

Josh: If the El Nino holds up, quite a bit of snow is likely.

Anonymous #2: This could be another deadbeat winter, if latest forecasts pan out.

Anonymous #3: We will know what should happen by late October.

BNB111: If the El Nino does hold up, then yes, snow will be abundant.

Shirlet: If your area gets hit by the big coastal storms, then yes. More inland areas like Pennsylvania can be tricky.

Anonymous #4: I wish I knew that far out, but I don't have the power. If you ask me in a few months, I will probably have a much better idea. Sorry!

Anonymous #5: Minnesota will end up cooler than last year. Precipitation will be tricky with the unstable ENSO pattern at the moment.

Anonymous #6: I could see Ohio getting up around average or going either way. It's a little murky at the moment.

Anonymous said...

What do your forecasts say for Northern California around the Sacramento area?

Anonymous said...

I live in Long Island NY and last year I got two snow shovel ,never used, should I get a snow blower for this winter?

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew -- Debra here :-) I want to ski in early December in Colorado. I know that it is crapshoot, but do you think there will be pretty good snow in November and early December to make this a good experience? Thanks!
Debra

Fuzzy64 said...

Andrew, last year the positive NAO dominated most of the La Nina winter last year. Your graphics paint a picture of a negative NAO. Most of this summer has been in a negative NAO state, much like last summer and went positive the rest of winter. If the positive NAO dominates once again during this El Nino winter, how much is this going to change your winter forecast?

Kyle said...

What do you think about the Memphis, TN winter this year? We've gotten gyped out of significant rain so far, and looks like we are just on the edge of the cold/snowy blast for 2012/2013..

Anonymous said...

Hows upstate Ny. Looking need the snow

Anonymous said...

Hello Andrew...Lonnie here...would like to know what West Virginia is going to look like this year as a salt truck driver for the Dept of Highways this would really be great to know..Thanks in advance

Anonymous said...

What about snow for Phenix City, Alabama?

Kristy Schneider said...

I just moved to portage county Ohio from Fort Myers Florida and I hear all these horror stories about the winters, my question is do you think it's gonna be a good white snowy winter or a bad horrible way too much snowy winter?

Shirley & Glen said...

Hi Andrew, We just moved to southern Idaho from the Oregon Coast and are unsure what the snowfall and low temps are like. Is this year going to be lower than "normal"? Will it be lower temps than "normal"? Thanks so much for the great work! Shirley & Glen

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew! Thanks for all the info! Apparently I live in a tricky area to forecast: Upper Northeast TN on the Virginia border. I'd love big snows this winter. In 1978 we hit a pattern that brought wave after wave of snow storms. Any chance of a really snowy winter for us? Thanks so much!

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much for all your research, very interesting. I live in Colorado Springs, seems like many of the models put colorado springs right on the edge, I understand the front range is hard to predict, with many times the mountains taking the brunt. What do you think will happen this upcoming winter.

Anonymous said...

Is southern Wisc. (Madison area)going to be getting colder then normal and above avg. snow? or was that just for the northern part of the state?

Anonymous said...

Hey my name is Andrew too.

How about southern West Virginia? Like Beckly, WV? How much snow am I expecting? I would appreciate the information, and I read this entire page. I learned some stuff I didn't know.

Tania said...

This is a great blog! I'm in the Piedmont Region of SC- Greenville/Spartanburg County. What are the chances of enough snow for a quality snowman? I've read your maps, but am hoping.... :-)

Tania said...

Sorry Andrew! I just saw you mentioned Anderson, SC. That's close enough to get an idea. Great blog! Thanks

Anonymous said...

What do you think about Northern central Mass.(Northern Worcester County) We had such a snow drought last winter, and I hoping to get a ton of snow this winter.

Andrew said...

Anonymous #1: Possibly a bit wetter than normal.

Anonymous #2: You may want to, the negative NAO should hold this winter.

Fuzzy64: If that happens, my forecast is in trouble. I can't think of what exactly, but it would not be good.

Kyle: That is correct, you are on the edge. Keep watch for ice this winter.

Anonymous #3: Looking good at the moment!

Lonnie: West Virginia should be wetter than normal, likely with a bit more snow than normal.

Anonymous #4: Chances are slightly higher, but not too high considering it is Alabama.

Kristy: It could very well be that way, but also may be a slight bust. I'll need a bit more time to be sure.

Shirley & Glen: Expect a warm and dry winter.

Anonymous #5: Yes, you are in a slightly harder to predict area. I will say to watch for snow and icy days.

Anonymous #6: The northwestern Colorado mountains may be drier than the southeast counterparts.

Anonymous #7: It could go for the Madison area now that the El Nino is in serious trouble.

Andrew: Glad you learned some new things! West Virginia should be wary of big Nor'easters that could drop some good precip and cool air.

Tania: There is a chance, but it's not 'too good'. It is better than last year though!

Anonymous #8: It is possible! Fingers crossed!

Katia Espinoza Rojas said...

How is going to be for Colorado?

hippyfairy said...

Great forecast,Thanks for being so detailed.:) Sadly, it doesn't look to good for us here in East Tennessee.I miss the good snows :(

Anonymous said...

hey andrew been reading your forcast for several months, so just to be sure you are saying not to give up hope for snow just yet for the indianapolis area, my whole family would love to see some enough for a snowman or two, i know you dont make the weather you just forcast it lol. last year was most deffinately not winter!

Kate Cocco said...

I'm in doylestown pa, and we ended up with over $5k worth of damage from the Halloween Snowstorm, then had nary a flake! Did u predict that last year, and please tell me that was a 100yr freak occurrence!

Jane said...

hi Andrew and im from nearby of Madison, WI so how much colder and how much snow will we get and when will that be effective? thanks

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew,
Can you tell me what you think Savannah, GA can expect this Winter? Could we see some snow?

Andrew said...

Katia: I'm thinking bouts of both warm and cool air. Precipitation should be variable at times but end up below normal.

hippyfairy: Some new data I discovered (and will show in the Final winter forecast) shows otherwise. I definitely wouldn't give up hope now.

Anonymous: Your area still has a chance of some good precipitation. Exactly how good that chance is is debatable, but there is a chance.

Kate:I did see that storm about a week out, but that was indeed a 100 year occurrence.

Jane: Expect a cool winter. Precipitation will be a bit tricky to forecast for, but I will know in late October.

Anonymous: Your chances are higher than usual because it's likely to be a cold winter with slight El nino characteristics, but, considering the South never has good chances for snowstorms (4 inches+), the probability is 'OK'.

Lisa S. said...

Is PA in for a rough winter ?

hippyfairy said...

Thank You so much :) I never give up hope,even when they say no snow at all :)

Anonymous said...

We live in mid to north central Nebraska. We have had extrodinary drought conditions all summer and most of spring. Did not receive hardly any snow last winter. What might we expect in precipitation and temperatures for this winter?

Anonymous said...

Will Tulsa, Oklahoma see any snow this year?

Karen M. said...

Hi Andrew
I would love to have several school closing snowfalls this winter in the Fairfax, VA Wasington, DC area. Will we have a few days off? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew how do you think the Pittsburgh Area will fair this winter with snow and/or icy?

Will it be really cool?

Paula said...

Hello Andrew,
I live in Western Maryland (Allegany County Mountains) and was concerned about snowfall this winter. Do you think we will again see snows like we had 09/10 winter?
Every time you looked out the window it was snowing.

Anonymous said...

How much snow will Chicago get?

Anonymous said...

Andrew,it looks as though MI could have above average snowfall this year. The last 2 years we've had very little as oppossed to say the years 2006 thru 2009. Great lake effect snow storms! We normally average around 100 inches - the last few years its been about half - what do you see for this year - sure would like a good winter.

Jake said...

Hello, first thank you for the great info you are providing for us! I live in Traverse City, Michigan (northern left side of the lower peninsula) What are you thinking we are going to see this year? As I own a snow removal/ice control business and I am getting winter fever pretty bad...hoping for some good news! Haha but your experienced thaughts would be the best to hear... Thank you in advance!

Anonymous said...

How about Chicago? We're having some cold days and really cold nights. Low of 30 tonight.

Jenny said...

Hi, what do you think the winter will look like for Greenville, SC this year. I love winter weather so I hope this will be a good winter for us!

Anonymous said...

I hate Washington! Warm, dry, and below normal snowfall!! How is that fun?

ladydee said...

mwI'm in Tallahassee, Florida, the panhandle of Florida. We have had nothing but tropical weather, humidity, hot weather with rain, rain, rain, storms, etc. even last winter. what does it look like for Tallahassee this fall and winter? I'd love for it to be at least a little cooler and dryer.

Anonymous said...

Hi, Cool page. I live in cranston R.I. wondering if we will have a nice messy winter this year. Love the snow and storms, please let me know.
thanks.

Clint said...

Andrew, I notice that no maps highlight the Mid-Ohio area. It appears the higher-than-normal snowfall is predicted to the North and East of us. Were we avoided in the prediction because our weather is historically fickle, or should we similar patterns as our neighbors up on the lake and to the East? Specifically, I am in the Mansfield, OH area. I have heard others say that weather patterns are indicating a winter similar to 1978 for us.....

Beth said...

Great information! O am from FL and we are planning a trip to Flagstaff, AZ for the first week in Jan. We are planning a sightseeing trip based on your predictions should we switch to a ski trip instead? We would really like to make the most of our time there. Thanks.

Andrew said...

Hey Andrew, I was curious what your thoughts were for grand junction Colorado, and the Grand Mesa. As far as snowfall goes. Thanks, much appreciated!
-Andrew

Paz said...

Hey Andrew...,

Heading to Jackson Hole first 2 weeks of January '13 and first week of March '13. Got lucky last year and got hit with 63 inches in 5 days in Jan. In your opinion, this year, will I have any such luck or should I bring my rock jumping skis? Do you see either Jan or Mar being better than the other? Or should I just cancel JH and go South of I-70 in Colorado?

Thanks,
Robbie

jim said...

In Detroit should I contract snow removal by the "push", or by the season? Break even is 10 "pushes".

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew - do you see much snow in the Sierra Nevada's this ski season (2012-2013)?

Christine Beeson said...

Hello,
I live in central NC (Triad Area). We are always on the ice/snow/rain line. What are your thoughts for this winter?

Missy Ann said...

Can you tell me what to expect living in the St. Louis MO area? It's been close to the 70's the first few days of December and that is just so odd too me. Thanks! ~Melissa.

Anonymous said...

What about northeast Texas? Any snow for us?

Anonymous said...

How about western Kentucky

Anonymous said...

When do you think we will receive the snow in Atlanta ? And how much snow should we expect 3 days ago was 70" tomorrow the high will be 55 lol thanks Andrew great job

Anonymous said...

Andrew good stuff man!! What is your thoughts about Knoxville TN we get some snow at times just like today I think we had close to 5 inches!! Do you believe it will be a late winter weather snow season here or should this one small storm be mostly all we get ??? Thanks name is Josh by the way

Mad Ramblings! said...

What is this winter going to be like for marshall va?